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Are you a vegetarian who eats leavened bread? Yeast is an animal - so I presume that because yeast has no brain, no nervous system, and no means of feeling pain it's O.K.

Now, second phase of the puzzle: do/would you also eat/smoke hot-house/hydroponically grown plants so long as pesticides weren't used (bearing in mind that the chemical nutrients supplied in the water are artifically produced)?

If you said yes to both of the above, then would you eat this:
From: http://www.newscientist.com/news/print.jsp?id=ns99993208

Lab-grown steaks nearing the menu
 09:15 30 December 02
 Holiday feature from New Scientist Print Edition
 
Fancy a beefburger, but want to spare the cow? Tissue engineers experimenting with ways of growing meat in a lab dish could soon provide a solution.

The aim of the work is to develop food for astronauts on long space journeys, such as a mission to Mars. But like much other space research, what happens up there could one day become commonplace down here too - just look what happened to Velcro.

A NASA-funded team led by Morris Benjaminson, at Touro College in New York City, has already taken the first steps. The team removed chunks of live muscle tissue from freshly killed goldfish and raised them in a standard cell-culture fluid for a week. The tissue grew by as much as 14 per cent, thanks to partially differentiated "myoblast" cells in the adult muscle dividing to make more muscle cells, he says.

But growing larger pieces of muscle tissue in the lab will be tricky. The main problem is ensuring a constant supply of nutrients for the growing cell mass. In a tissue fed by a blood supply, the capillaries must be no more than 200 microns apart or else the cells in between become necrotic and the tissue dies.

Although the Touro team developed techniques for growing white and dark chicken muscle in the lab, without a blood supply the chicken meat grew for just two months before it was dead in the dish. Benjaminson is now submitting another NASA proposal to investigate mechanical or electrical methods of stimulating blood vessel growth.

Protein spheres

However, you only need to establish a good blood supply if you want to grow thick slabs of muscle. Vladimir Mironov, director of the Shared Tissue Engineering Laboratory at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston has other ideas. His team thinks the meat of the future will be a processed food closer to a sausage or hamburger.

In a detailed project proposal to NASA, he sets out how to grow cells on protein spheres suspended in growth medium. These could then be harvested and made into nuggets or patties.

His starting cells will be myoblasts, which normally live at the edges of muscle fibres and help repair the muscles if they are damaged. They are better suited than embryonic stem cells, Mironov says, because they are already part of the way down the road to forming the desired cell type, rather than being totally undifferentiated.

Unfortunately, myoblasts do have a big drawback - they cannot survive unless they can attach themselves to something, and this makes them harder to grow in a stock. To get around the problem, Mironov plans to mix the cells with tiny spheres of collagen protein and then keep them in suspension with the help of a machine called a microgravity bioreactor.

According to Mironov, the simplest meat to grow is seafood because the myoblasts can be coaxed to divide better, but "chicken is nice", he says. His dream is that we will eventually be able to grow and cook fresh sausage overnight at home in special machine, just like a home bread maker.

Food and exercise

Although processed meat is likely to become a reality before more traditional cuts, researchers have not given up the dream of growing the perfect filet mignon in the lab. Mironov, for one, has thought of other ways of getting around the blood supply problem.

He suggests using a bioreactor with a branching network of hundreds of tiny edible tubes that act like artificial capillaries to convey nutrients to the growing meat. But to satisfy those who crave the texture and mouthfeel of a good steak, you need to develop something that mimics the texture of real meat.

That means generating a complex structure of muscle and connective tissue, and to do that, the muscle myoblasts need to stretch and contract regularly. In other words, not only must you feed your steak well, you have to give it plenty of exercise too.

Herman Vandenburgh of Brown University has proposed a regime for the physical conditioning of sedentary steaks. Rather than just stimulating them with electricity or chemicals, Vandeburgh's team has developed chitin beads that change size when the temperature changes. When attached to the myoblasts, they force them to stretch and contract.

However, in a cruel setback for astronaut omnivores, NASA has rejected Mironov's proposal, apparently preferring astronauts to be vegetarians for the meantime. "People are vegetarians and vegans on Earth and they do quite well," comments Thomas Dreschel, director of NASA's Fundamental Biology Outreach Programme. "It is more efficient to grow plants and feed on them. If astronauts really need essential amino acids, they can eat a pill."

Select cut

But Douglas McFarland, at South Dakota State University in Brookings, who collaborates with Mironov, disagrees. "Animal protein is a more balanced and complex protein than a plant protein," he argues. "The body would absorb and metabolise protein from a pill too rapidly. If you eat protein, then it takes more time to digest."

Even if NASA is focusing on veggies, maybe Mironov can find funding elsewhere. "Operations like McDonald's are interested in particular cuts of meat and efficiency," says Vern Anderson, adjunct professor of ruminant nutrition at the University of North Dakota. "And you could select for leanness, or low cholesterol."

Gaining general consumer acceptance of such meat might be possible if it tasted good. But the reaction of vegetarians and animal rights campaigners is another matter. If no animal is farmed or slaughtered, and if culturing cells were more energy efficient than growing meat on the hoof, would that make it ethically acceptable?

If not, there might still be another way. One researcher recalls a student, a vegan, who asked if she could just biopsy herself, grow up a steak and eat it. If you want to eat truly victimless meat, perhaps it is time to put yourself on the menu.
 
Wendy Wolfson
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Why or why not?

Date: 2003-11-10 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yummymommy.livejournal.com
I"m going to say no because it's been so long since I"ve eaten steak/beef/cow that the texture is quite unappealing.
Mind you, I think if you are going to eat beef that this would be the way to go.

Date: 2003-11-10 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Actually if you read it all the way through, while red meat is a goal, they are currently doing this with fish, perhaps doing chicken next. So what about seafood or poultry meat grown this way? Or pork?

Would said beef be suitable for Hindus? Said pork for Jews and Muslims?

Date: 2003-11-10 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seymour-glass.livejournal.com
i already eat fish several times a week, so no problem there...i don't really have any craving for beef so i doubt i would eat it anyway...too heavy...although a nice petri dish turkey on thanksgiving might be a nice change...it's certainly food *groan* for thought...

Whoops

Date: 2003-11-10 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
I misread as well. They actually *have* done chicken.

And pushing it beyond food

Date: 2003-11-10 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
If they work out the blood supply problem, what's preventing the growth of perfect replacement organs grown from your own flesh and therefore 100% compatable?

Re: And pushing it beyond food

Date: 2003-11-10 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seymour-glass.livejournal.com
yeh i was thinking that too when they mentioned the part about the student growing food from her own body...that would be amazing, though i'm looking forward to the day when we can just regenerate limbs like lobsters or salamanders...now that would be cool!!! but growing donor organs would also be beneficial in the fact that demand oustrips supply and if they could do it in a timely fashion there wouldn't be the waiting lists and chance of dying while waiting we see these days...and hopefully they could figure out a way to manufacture the blood supply too so we could make our own blood too...

Date: 2003-11-10 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheaza.livejournal.com
if it was covered in a garlic butter sauce or sour cream, i'd fucking eat my own HAND.

Date: 2003-11-10 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
You and, apparently, the vegan mentioned in the last paragraph.

Oh, wait...

Date: 2003-11-10 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
What am I thinking? A vegan wouldn't eat butter sauce or sour cream!

blasphmy

Date: 2003-11-11 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] six-v2.livejournal.com
meat is of the flesh some god made for man to consume to be holly as god intended.
'eat of my creation and grow closer to me'

this is the werk of the devil.

seriously though i would eat anything atleast once
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