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(Nicked from [livejournal.com profile] keki and Canadianized)

The idea here is to bold any state/province/territory you have set foot in, no matter how breifly. Flying over doesn't count. Driving through or taking a bus/train/whatever through only counts if you got out of the vehicle for whatever reason. Changing planes counts. Literally you have to have set a foot down on the ground.

1) Alabama, 2) Alaska , 3) Arizona, 4) Arkansas, 5) California, 6) Colorado, 7) Connecticut, 8) Delaware, 9) Florida, 10) Georgia, 11) Hawaii, 12) Idaho, 13) Illinois, 14) Indiana, 15) Iowa, 16) Kansas, 17) Kentucky, 18) Louisiana, 19) Maine, 20) Maryland, 21) Massachusetts, 22) Michigan, 23) Minnesota, 24) Mississippi, 25) Missouri, 26) Montana, 27) Nebraska, 28) Nevada, 29) New Hampshire, 30) New Jersey, 31) New Mexico, 32) New York, 33) North Carolina, 34) North Dakota, 35) Ohio, 36) Oklahoma, 37) Oregon, 38) Pennsylvania, 39) Rhode Island, 40) South Carolina, 41) South Dakota, 42) Tennessee, 43) Texas, 44) Utah, 45) Vermont, 46) Virginia, 47) Washington, 48) West Virginia, 49) Wisconsin, 50) Wyoming.

1) Newfoundland, 2) Nova Scotia, 3) New Brunswick, 4) Prince Edward Island, 5) Québec, 6) Ontario, 7) Manitoba, 8) Saskatchewan, 9) Alberta, 10) British Columbia, 11) Yukon, 12) North West Territories, 13) Nunavut.

Not much to my list...

Date: 2004-01-15 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
1) Alabama, 2) Alaska , 3) Arizona, 4) Arkansas, 5) California, 6) Colorado, 7) Connecticut, 8) Delaware, 9) Florida, 10) Georgia, 11) Hawaii, 12) Idaho, 13) Illinois, 14) Indiana, 15) Iowa, 16) Kansas, 17) Kentucky, 18) Louisiana, 19) Maine, 20) Maryland, 21) Massachusetts, 22) Michigan, 23) Minnesota, 24) Mississippi, 25) Missouri, 26) Montana, 27) Nebraska, 28) Nevada, 29) New Hampshire, 30) New Jersey, 31) New Mexico, 32) New York, 33) North Carolina, 34) North Dakota, 35) Ohio, 36) Oklahoma, 37) Oregon, 38) Pennsylvania, 39) Rhode Island, 40) South Carolina, 41) South Dakota, 42) Tennessee, 43) Texas, 44) Utah, 45) Vermont, 46) Virginia, 47) Washington, 48) West Virginia, 49) Wisconsin, 50) Wyoming.

1) Newfoundland, 2) Nova Scotia, 3) New Brunswick, 4) Prince Edward Island, 5) Québec, 6) Ontario, 7) Manitoba, 8) Saskatchewan, 9) Alberta, 10) British Columbia, 11) Yukon, 12) North West Territories, 13) Nunavut.

I've been within 10 minutes drive of both New Mexico and Nevada...

Date: 2004-01-16 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
Bizarre - I've been to more countries than provinces and states....

1) Canada
2) United States
3) Great Britain
4) Cuba
5) Norway
6) Irish Republic
7) France
8) Denmark (Copenhagen airport)
9) Greenland (Sondre Stromfjord airport)

Hrm,

Date: 2004-01-16 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Canada, United States, Mexico, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, West Germany (at the time), France... 8 countries. You've got me beat on that count, but I'm still ahead of Bush, I think.

Re: Hrm,

Date: 2004-01-16 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
You've got me beat on that count

True... but you probably have me beat in terms of time spent overseas total. The picture looks a lot different if you include the time in each country.


2) United States - a rough estimate is about three months.
3) Great Britain - 4 visits totalling around two months; no visit longer than three weeks.
4) Cuba - 2 weeks
5) Norway - 1 week
6) Irish Republic - 3 days
7) France - 1 day
8) Denmark
9) Greenland (Sondre Stromfjord airport)

1) Canada - remainder of time.

As well, if you count countries I have flown over then the only addition would be Iceland. I've pretty much landed in every country I've had to fly over - Greenland the most noticeable example as most planes going to Europe from here do pass over the island. My first trip to England was in 1970 on small-sized carrier Pacific Western and before the days of the 747 - most planes could not make the Vancouver-to-London run without refueling in either Greenland, Labrador or Iceland.

Oh - and I have been within two feet of Mexican territory at the US-Mexican border in San Diego.

About the same, actually.

Date: 2004-01-16 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
U.S. - grand total about six months at this point, I'd guess. I've probably spent a week in Sea-Tac alone, waiting for planes to arrive.
Belgium - 26 days
Netherlands - 2 days
Luxembourg - ~1 hour, i.e. the time to drive across it on the way to Germany from Belgium. All I did in Luxembourg was pee. I should get a t-shirt, "I peed on Luxembourg" ;-)
France - 1 day
Mexico - About 4 hours, buying cheap booze in Tiajuana, not venturing more than a mile over that same border crossing.

If we are to discount the U.S. and talk strictly about overseas, then it looks like you have me beat by a long-shot. Elaine, of course has our arses kicked with her year in New Zealand.

Re: About the same, actually.

Date: 2004-01-16 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Oops, forgot the day in West Germany - although it's implied with the drive across Luxembourg.

for curiosity's sake...

Date: 2004-01-15 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitogoth.livejournal.com
1) Alabama, 2) Alaska , 3) Arizona, 4) Arkansas, 5) California, 6) Colorado, 7) Connecticut, 8) Delaware, 9) Florida, 10) Georgia, 11) Hawaii, 12) Idaho, 13) Illinois, 14) Indiana, 15) Iowa, 16) Kansas, 17) Kentucky, 18) Louisiana, 19) Maine, 20) Maryland, 21) Massachusetts, 22) Michigan, 23) Minnesota, 24) Mississippi, 25) Missouri, 26) Montana, 27) Nebraska, 28) Nevada, 29) New Hampshire, 30) New Jersey, 31) New Mexico, 32) New York, 33) North Carolina, 34) North Dakota, 35) Ohio, 36) Oklahoma, 37) Oregon, 38) Pennsylvania, 39) Rhode Island, 40) South Carolina, 41) South Dakota, 42) Tennessee, 43) Texas, 44) Utah, 45) Vermont, 46) Virginia, 47) Washington, 48) West Virginia, 49) Wisconsin, 50) Wyoming.

1) Newfoundland, 2) Nova Scotia, 3) New Brunswick, 4) Prince Edward Island, 5) Québec, 6) Ontario, 7) Manitoba, 8) Saskatchewan, 9) Alberta, 10) British Columbia, 11) Yukon, 12) North West Territories, 13) Nunavut.

it's entirely possible that i've been to vermont, illinois, and michigan, but if they were so unmemorable that i can't even remember why i was there, they don't count. ;}

Date: 2004-01-15 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neverletmedown.livejournal.com
I took a train from Boston to NY... so I rolled over Connecticut and Rhode Island and breathed in that Smallest State Ever air, but alas, I did not step off the moving train.

1) Alabama, 2) Alaska , 3) Arizona, 4) Arkansas, 5) California, 6) Colorado, 7) Connecticut, 8) Delaware, 9) Florida, 10) Georgia, 11) Hawaii, 12) Idaho, 13) Illinois, 14) Indiana, 15) Iowa, 16) Kansas, 17) Kentucky, 18) Louisiana, 19) Maine, 20) Maryland, 21) Massachusetts, 22) Michigan, 23) Minnesota, 24) Mississippi, 25) Missouri, 26) Montana, 27) Nebraska, 28) Nevada, 29) New Hampshire, 30) New Jersey, 31) New Mexico, 32) New York, 33) North Carolina, 34) North Dakota, 35) Ohio, 36) Oklahoma, 37) Oregon, 38) Pennsylvania, 39) Rhode Island, 40) South Carolina, 41) South Dakota, 42) Tennessee, 43) Texas, 44) Utah, 45) Vermont, 46) Virginia, 47) Washington, 48) West Virginia, 49) Wisconsin, 50) Wyoming.

1) Newfoundland, 2) Nova Scotia, 3) New Brunswick, 4) Prince Edward Island, 5) Québec, 6) Ontario, 7) Manitoba, 8) Saskatchewan, 9) Alberta, 10) British Columbia, 11) Yukon, 12) North West Territories, 13) Nunavut.

Rhode Island

Date: 2004-01-16 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
that Smallest State Ever air

I find it most ironic that the smallest US state has the most longest official name: State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations

Re: Rhode Island

Date: 2004-01-16 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Sort of like "The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg".

Now, do you know which one of the territories in the U.S. federal union with "state" status is by its official name not actually a state? (i.e. the only one that is not "The State of ____")

Re: Rhode Island

Date: 2004-01-16 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
Well, aren't Massachusetts, Kentucky, and Virginia all commonwealths?

Re: Rhode Island

Date: 2004-01-16 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Well, damn. I stand corrected. I didn't know Kentucky and Virginia were also commonwealths. So there are three "states" that aren't states.

Re: Rhode Island

Date: 2004-01-16 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
I knew Viriginia was for a fact, and was pretty sure about Massachusetts being a commonwealth as well - but I only found out like a few weeks ago (watching American Justice on A/E) that Kentucky was one as well... because it was some trial taking place there and the announcer kept saying "Commonwealth prosectors this-or-that, etc"

Okay, here's a couple for you:

1) There have been four "entities" in current US 50-state territory that have been independent at one time or another. Name them.

2) Name the only state that no longer exists.

Re: Rhode Island

Date: 2004-01-16 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Other than Texas you've got me. My understanding was only Texas was at any point a wholly independent country. I suppose you could count Hawaii as once-up-a-time autonomous under native rule, but then the whole of North America would qualify under that criterion. If you count Hawaii as a British protectorate, then you have to count Ohio, Wisconson, New Mexico, Arizona, Louisiana, Washington, Alaska, etc. that were all ripped off or purchased from other countries in the name of "Manifest Destiny". As for the state that doesn exist anymore would that be Nova Scotia? I know that area changed hands a few times and is the only area that I can think of that they lost.

The Answers

Date: 2004-01-16 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
1) There have been four "entities" in current US 50-state territory that have been independent at one time or another. Name them.

1) Hawaii - which despite protectorate status was regarded as an independent country in its day, probably more so than Canada was.

2) Texas - this is the easy answer

3) Vermont was independent for about a decade.

4) Indian Stream Republic - the extreme northern tip of New Hampshire declared itself independent in the early 1800s after locals got tired of being in the middle of a boundary dispute. The tiny country was independent for about 5 years.

2) Name the only state that no longer exists.

Franklin - which was parts of North Carolina and I think Tennessee, it was the first 14th state but disappeared after just 4 years.

Interesting

Date: 2004-01-16 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Although I'm not sure Vermont and especially the Indian Stream Republic really count for lack of recognition from other nations. By my reconing the United States itself wasn't an independent country until it was recognized internationally in 1786. "Legitimate" nationhood is often ambiguous - just look at Taiwan for example.

So, on the subject of nations here a couple obscure ones:
1.) What was the only colonial nation in the New World to establish a monarchy of its own (as opposed to how ours works, i.e. the monarch resided full-time in the New World and was not also the monarch of any European nation)?

2.) What is the only nation to be recognized internationally (albeit arguably) that has absolutely no natural territory above sea level?

New World Empires

Date: 2004-01-16 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
1) Only colonial nation in the New World? I can name at least three North American countries (four, if Hawaii counts) with full-fledged independent monarchies:

Brazil was an empire between 1822 and 1889; the first emperor Pedro I was also ruler of Portugal betweeen 1826 and 1828 but later gave up the Portuguese throne to I believe his brother. His son Pedro II ruled from 1834 until being overthrown in 1889. It took two years before the republic was proclaimed.

Mexico was an empire twice; Emperor Agustin I in 1822-1823 and Maxililian I in 1864-1867.

Haiti of all places had a king (Henry I) and two emperors (Jean-Jacques I and Faustin I) as well.

Then... of course there is always that bizarre Emperor Norton I that ruled the United States in the 1860s and 1870s.

Seems like North Americans really like their emperors!

Re: New World Empires

Date: 2004-01-16 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Heh, I should have made the question clearer and ruled out the self-appointed ones. Mexico I knew about, Haiti I didn't. Haiti, however, has another claim to fame that is interesting, though.

Back at you

Date: 2004-01-16 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
Which North American country (besides the obvious US) has had a US-born president?

Re: Back at you

Date: 2004-01-16 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
No idea. Semi-random guess: Costa Rica.

Re: Back at you

Date: 2004-01-17 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
Very close... Nicaragua.

Some southern civil war era dude by the name of William Walker was able to take control of the presidency in 1856 but later ended up in front of the firing squad. He was overthrown in a rebellion when he tried to institute slavery.

By the way, did you know that El salvador tried to join the USA during the Civil War? "Distance" was given as the main reason for rejection by the Union government.

Re: Back at you

Date: 2004-01-17 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Did you know that during the Civil War the city of New York considered succeeding from the Union? Institution of the draft in the city resulted in the worst riots in American history with an estimated 10,000 deaths.

And since this whole thread has happened in response to Robyn's comment, I'll bet she's about ready to kill us ;-)

Answer to Haiti's Claim to Fame

Date: 2004-01-16 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
The only nation founded by a successful slave revolt.

Re: Answer to Haiti's Claim to Fame

Date: 2004-01-17 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
Ah yes, that's correct - they celebrated the 200th anniversary of independence two weeks ago to the usual sound of gunfire and failed coups...

Second Question

Date: 2004-01-16 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
I haven't got a clue about the second question - although I'm sure once I hear what it is, I'll realise it.

Re: Second Question

Date: 2004-01-16 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
Sealand (http://www.fruitsofthesea.demon.co.uk/sealand/factfile.html)

Re: Second Question

Date: 2004-01-17 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
I remember my old man (who was from England) telling me about this.

This is actually not uncommon - as some bloke who lived on the Isle of Dogs (= some rocks) in the River Thames near Westminster pulled a similar stunt. Seems the rocks were never legally claimed or owned by England, so this chap laid first claim and tried to make them his personal fiefdom.

Also, there is a town in Kent or Sussex that declares (or used to declare) itself indepenedent one day every July - and the local authorities and police seemingly accepted this and actually enforced the passport requirements for this particular day. I remember seeing a blurb on BBC about this when I was there in 1985.

Somewhat related to artificial states, Slovenia used to accept NSK passports (the umbrella name for the virtual state arts group that Laibach belonged to) as legit and on par with Slovenian passports.

Re: Second Question

Date: 2004-01-17 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
There are some guys up on Baffin Is. that have claimed about half an acre as their own sovereign nation, called Arctica. Apparently they wrote to the UN seeking recognition and the UN wrote back saying they would recognise them if the government of Canada did. That's about as far as it got.

More interesting, it the variety of bizarre relationships various parts of the U.K. have to the crown. The Isle of Skye, for example is not formally subject to the crown. The MacLeod clan, as it happens, is the only Scottish clan that never lost to the English so the island has a positively medaeival relationship of alliegence rather than direct rule. Jersey, Guensey, the Isle of Man, and other rocks of varying size have similar relationships in varying degrees. And then there's Scotland which has its own parliament again, which gives them a strange status, and the on-again off-again parliament of Northern Ireland. It's all very peculiar by the homogenous standards we are used to.

Obscure independent American countries

Date: 2004-01-16 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovietnimrod.livejournal.com
Republic of Vermont (1777-1791)http://www.vtonly.com/hstymar8.htm

Indian Stream Republic (1832-1836)
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_hampshire/46113

Re: PS

Date: 2004-01-19 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edbook.livejournal.com
Pennsylvania is also a Commonwealth... the form of government is the same as that of the federal government... (I think)

Peace

we westerners don't get around much...

Date: 2004-01-15 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seymour-glass.livejournal.com
1) Alabama, 2) Alaska , 3) Arizona, 4) Arkansas, 5) California, 6) Colorado, 7) Connecticut, 8) Delaware, 9) Florida, 10) Georgia, 11) Hawaii, 12) Idaho, 13) Illinois, 14) Indiana, 15) Iowa, 16) Kansas, 17) Kentucky, 18) Louisiana, 19) Maine, 20) Maryland, 21) Massachusetts, 22) Michigan, 23) Minnesota, 24) Mississippi, 25) Missouri, 26) Montana, 27) Nebraska, 28) Nevada, 29) New Hampshire, 30) New Jersey, 31) New Mexico, 32) New York, 33) North Carolina, 34) North Dakota, 35) Ohio, 36) Oklahoma, 37) Oregon, 38) Pennsylvania, 39) Rhode Island, 40) South Carolina, 41) South Dakota, 42) Tennessee, 43) Texas, 44) Utah, 45) Vermont, 46) Virginia, 47) Washington, 48) West Virginia, 49) Wisconsin, 50) Wyoming.

1) Newfoundland, 2) Nova Scotia, 3) New Brunswick, 4) Prince Edward Island, 5) Québec, 6) Ontario, 7) Manitoba, 8) Saskatchewan, 9) Alberta, 10) British Columbia, 11) Yukon, 12) North West Territories, 13) Nunavut.

Date: 2004-01-15 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valerian.livejournal.com
1) Alabama, 2) Alaska , 3) Arizona, 4) Arkansas, 5) California, 6) Colorado, 7) Connecticut, 8) Delaware, 9) Florida, 10) Georgia, 11) Hawaii, 12) Idaho, 13) Illinois, 14) Indiana, 15) Iowa, 16) Kansas, 17) Kentucky, 18) Louisiana, 19) Maine, 20) Maryland, 21) Massachusetts, 22) Michigan, 23) Minnesota, 24) Mississippi, 25) Missouri, 26) Montana, 27) Nebraska, 28) Nevada, 29) New Hampshire, 30) New Jersey, 31) New Mexico, 32) New York, 33) North Carolina, 34) North Dakota, 35) Ohio, 36) Oklahoma, 37) Oregon, 38) Pennsylvania, 39) Rhode Island, 40) South Carolina, 41) South Dakota, 42) Tennessee, 43) Texas, 44) Utah, 45) Vermont, 46) Virginia, 47) Washington, 48) West Virginia, 49) Wisconsin, 50) Wyoming.

1) Newfoundland, 2) Nova Scotia, 3) New Brunswick, 4) Prince Edward Island, 5) Québec, 6) Ontario, 7) Manitoba, 8) Saskatchewan, 9) Alberta, 10) British Columbia, 11) Yukon, 12) North West Territories, 13) Nunavut.



I don't get out much. Unless you include England, Wales, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Tonga...

Date: 2004-01-15 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valerian.livejournal.com
Oops... forgot 5) Quebec. Silly me.

Re: PS

Date: 2004-01-19 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edbook.livejournal.com
1) Alabama, 2) Alaska , 3) Arizona, 4) Arkansas, 5) California, 6) Colorado, 7) Connecticut, 8) Delaware, 9) Florida, 10) Georgia, 11) Hawaii, 12) Idaho, 13) Illinois, 14) Indiana, 15) Iowa, 16) Kansas, 17) Kentucky, 18) Louisiana, 19) Maine, 20) Maryland, 21) Massachusetts, 22) Michigan, 23) Minnesota, 24) Mississippi, 25) Missouri, 26) Montana, 27) Nebraska, 28) Nevada, 29) New Hampshire, 30) New Jersey, 31) New Mexico, 32) New York, 33) North Carolina, 34) North Dakota, 35) Ohio, 36) Oklahoma, 37) Oregon, 38) Pennsylvania, 39) Rhode Island, 40) South Carolina, 41) South Dakota, 42) Tennessee, 43) Texas, 44) Utah, 45) Vermont, 46) Virginia, 47) Washington, 48) West Virginia, 49) Wisconsin, 50) Wyoming.

1) Newfoundland, 2) Nova Scotia, 3) New Brunswick, 4) Prince Edward Island, 5) Québec, 6) Ontario, 7) Manitoba, 8) Saskatchewan, 9) Alberta, 10) British Columbia, 11) Yukon, 12) North West Territories, 13) Nunavut.

Singapore, Phillipines, Japan, Bahamas (under water in Eluthera Bay)

Peace

Now I have to wonder...

Date: 2004-01-19 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarrick.livejournal.com
What's wrong with Alaska, Louisiana and North Dakota? ;-)

I think you may have just about everyone's ass thoroughly kicked here, Ed!

Re: PS

Date: 2004-01-19 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edbook.livejournal.com
'want to go to Alaska but it takes so much planning for the trip I want to go on... but I do intend to... I do want to also go to North Dakota but it just hasn't been on my path yet... now, Louisiana.... no intention to ever go there...not to even drive through on the interstate... I've heard too many stories about folks having trouble there when they had out of state plates...

I'm surprised that I've never made it to Mexico...

Other places that I haven't been to but want to visit are, of course, the parts of Canada I haven't visited yet... Patagonia, and Tibet... maybe parts of Europe...

Peace
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