Typically Canadian
Mar. 26th, 2003 10:53 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
mbarrick
As usual we are, despite all the flack for "doing nothing" quietly doing more than expected, more than we said we would, and doing it right. The headlines on all the papers today are about how "disappointed" the American government is with us, yet the American embassador to Canada, Paul Celucci, also had these words about our naval presence in the Persian Gulf which is still there because we are still in Afghanistan:Ironically, because of the presence in the Persian Gulf, they will provide more support for this war in Iraq indirectly than most of those 46 countries that are fully supporting us. It's kind of an odd situation.So, to those that are "ashamed" of our "lack of involvement" - shut the fuck up. Our government did the ethically right thing by staying in line with our prinicples regarding the UN, international law, and peacekeeping. Never forget that Canada invented peacekeeping and ever since we first distinguished ourselves in the Boer War, Canadian soldiers have continued to earn and maintain the respect of friends and enemies alike. General Rommel, the German commander of the North African theatre in WWII, said that if he had Canadian soldiers with American equipment he could win the war. In the first gas attacks of WWI at Yprès, it was the Canadians alone that held the line while everyone else ran and died. Canada was in WWII two years ahead of America and it was the Canadians (including my father) who spearheaded the invasion of Italy in WWII and cleared the way for the Brits and Americans. It was Canadians (again including my father) that landed at Dieppe and prooved that the invasion of Normandy, while difficult, was not impossible. Our peacekeepers were in Korea and, despite the reputation garnered from American draft-dodging, our volunteer millitary was in Vietnam. And in the first Gulf War it was Canadian fighter jets that were sent in first, specifically to be shot at, so the Americans could come in with relative safety to take out the anti-aircraft guns.
Be proud of Canada. Be proud that we have the guts and moral fortitude to finish wars and ethics enough not to start them.
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Date: 2003-03-26 11:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-03-26 11:03 am (UTC)Actions and words
Date: 2003-03-26 11:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-03-26 11:55 am (UTC)Is it too late to become politically interested??
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Date: 2003-03-26 12:40 pm (UTC)wouldn't honor the winning Ebay bid on a printer becuse the buyer was Canadian?
We're not backing the US?
But we ARE backing the US.. we are backing the US peace protesters
we ARE backing the us embassy, the US Unitied Nations Delegates.
We ARE backing Democracy, Anti-terrorism ,and All-men-are-created equal. We are backing the Mojority of the US - not the Gun Happy hicks they have in power.....
I agree with the REASONS for the war .. but not the war itself...
I thought they would be more efficient than that. They have the resources, they have the training - it didn't need to come to this.
They could Bribe Al Jezera to create a smear campaingn, They could take him out with a sniper, they could kidnap one of his generals and through conditioning or bribery - take him out. They could
get the Iahtollah (sp?) to delcare a Fatwa on him for his massacre of muslims. Hell - they got satalites in orbit and particle accelerators that could paint the target and take him out with fine precision.
But no - taking Saddam out with a Sniper is "morally wrong".. yet killing thousands of innocent Iraqi people(and allies) is not?
I am trying not to take sides. I think Saddam NEEDs to be taken out
But I think this war effort is the worst , least efficient , ass-backwards , poorly planned military cluster-fuck that I have ever seen. - IT SHOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED TO GET THIS FAR.
Maybe Canada , Germany and fance are not staying out of this war
becuse of beleifs in Peace.. but in being Ashamed to be associated by this Poorly educated , poorly executed , poorly justified
Three-stooges plan of attack.
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Date: 2003-03-26 02:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-03-26 02:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-03-26 03:21 pm (UTC)To do this, Milner precipitates a war with the Boers. As always, over-confident generals and politicians predict the war will be over 'by Christmas'. And again, as always with the British in their wars, they only win one battle - the last one. But they will have to wait two and a half years for that. Until then, disaster is piled on disaster, military careers are destroyed, 22,000 Tommy Atkins are laid to rest in 'some corner of a foreign field that is for ever England', and the Empire muddles on in the heat and dust of the South African veldt.
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Date: 2003-03-26 05:29 pm (UTC)My grandfather was an infantryman in the Boer War and WWI.
My father, following in grand-dad's footsteps, signed on with the Seaforth Highlanders/39th Canadian Brigade in the early 60's.
I am as proud of them for their dedication, as I am also proud of you for having the balls to follow up your own beliefs and words with actions. You rawk my world. :)
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Let's look at your gripes:
Anti-semitism: This exists everywhere there are Jews. It's an inevitable consequence of ignorant people fearing what is different and what they do not understand. Unlike America, however, Canada has anti-hate legislation that is routinely enforced and an official policy of multiculturalism that is intended to encourge and support difference rather than the "melting pot"/"e pluribus unum" approach. These laws and policies don't play favourites, they apply regardless of skin-colour and equally to Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans, Catholics, Protestants, and Jews alike. "Weak religion" follows necessarily out of this tolerance and the separation of church and state. Would you prefer the "tolerance" of a state strong on religion such as the Afghanistan under the Taliban, Spain in the days of the Inquisition, or any number of other examples? America was founded on the virtues of the ideas you are deriding. The United States was intended to be just that, a federation of united, largely autonomous states with a very limited federal government, not unlike what the European Union has become. Wise men very carefully drafted laws and procedures designed specifically at limiting the strength of the federal government. These have all be slowly subverted and the United States has become the very sort of centrally organized empire that it rebelled against and originally set itself up as the very antithesis of.
So what priciples don't you agree with? Innocent until proven guilty? Rule of law? Freedom of religion? Equality?
Here's a nice cup of shut-the-fuck-up, go sip on it while you grow a brain.
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Date: 2003-03-27 01:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-03-27 08:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-03-27 10:56 pm (UTC)I know where you stand on this and I know there is no convincing you, especially right after Purim, so I won't belabour the point any further.
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Date: 2003-03-27 11:12 pm (UTC)You are right that not all Jews are Zionist, it pains me to admit that my brother whom I love and adore who is ultra-Orthodox is not Zionist and does not believe that a secular State of Israel should exist, more over that a religious state should not exist until the time of the Messiah, despite the fact that he himself is an Israeli citizen like myself. But they (Jews who are not Zionistic) are in the minority.
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Date: 2003-03-28 10:03 am (UTC)no subject
Our neighbours to the south are known for bullying and foul language, attempting to end an argument by verbally insulting or attacking opposition or making threats.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, even a sole dissenting one, that is what freedom of speech is all about. So will you be nice and apologize to the lady for attacking her or were you planning on applying for citizenship somewhere else in the world? Didn't sound too diplomatic, eh? ;)
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Date: 2003-03-28 09:50 am (UTC)and:
ovation
Date: 2003-03-26 07:37 pm (UTC)applause applause
life is our cause
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Date: 2003-03-26 07:52 pm (UTC)and
http://www.supernovajuice.com/blog
and adrian's friend is using it in as his splash page!!
http://www.pureanarchy.net/splashpage.php
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Date: 2003-03-26 07:56 pm (UTC)http://www.supernovajuice.com/blog/
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http://www.pureanarchy.net/
http://www.supernovajuice.com/blog/001554.html
http://66.183.107.55:81/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/003659.html
mrzebra
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Extremely well said! Kudos and
CanadianPeacenik bacon for you!no subject
Date: 2003-03-27 12:18 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2003-03-27 01:17 pm (UTC)productive... ummm...useful.... ummm.... other stuff.I wasn't implying that you were a peacenik.
Ah, OK
Date: 2003-03-27 02:59 pm (UTC)I guess we'll have to do something about maple syrup, too. "Stars and stripes syrup"?
Re: Ah, OK
Date: 2003-03-27 06:08 pm (UTC)Speaking of Canada and Texas
Date: 2003-03-27 07:07 pm (UTC)Re: Speaking of Canada and Texas
Date: 2003-07-21 04:50 am (UTC)Re: Ah, OK
Date: 2003-03-27 07:07 pm (UTC)